Not an independent thinker
December 12, 2006 at 10:13 am | In 4th century, Book of Mark, God, Holy Bible, beliefs, cause, coconut, collective good, creative good, creator, fables, faith, fortune tellers, golden age of legends, mystic storytellers, superstitions, worship | Leave a CommentNot An Independent Thinker
Hello Anyone,
I’m reprinting below an email (10 Dec 2006) from RG to AO, who is a good friend of mine – and the topic is me and what I know, but more about what I don’t know about worship/God. It’s really reason versus faith, that’s why I put it here. I am going to reply to it later; meanwhile, you may want to react to it on your own right now. The original was really allcaps; I decided to copy and paste it (it was copy-furnished to me by AO) because, of course, RG is of the old school and allcaps was an easy way of emphasizing your points – in this case, everything is emphasized and therefore important. Among other things, he says I’m ‘not an independent thinker.’
Apt image from Terri Lynn who captions it ‘Throes Of Worship 7’ (flickr.com/), which means it’s part of a series of photographs. (If you want to view the series – looks good – visit her at http://flickr.com/photos/terri_lynn/.) Hers is the face of a believer, a worshipper. When I saw it, I was immediately enamored with it, which I think in a way describes the object of worship: an instant innamorata. You don’t think, you don’t reason – you just believe, you just worship, you just wonder.
Frank
ACO,
BETWEEN YOU AND ME, I THINK FRANK IS AN INDOCTRINEE OF THE COLONIZING FRIARS. NOT AN INDEPENDENT THINKER. I RESPECT HIS BELIEFS.
HE HAS NOT READ MUCH OF HOW THE HOLY BIBLE WAS FORMULATED BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DURING THE 4TH CENTURY, FROM ANCIENT HOLY SCRIPTURES WRITTEN BY MORAL ACTIVISTS, APOSTLES, PROPHETS, WRITTEN DECADES AFTER THE INCIDENTS AND EVENTS ACTUALLY HAPPENED, AND WAS CARRIED ON AS SPOKEN SCRIPTURES UNTIL THESE COULD BE WRITTEN – DURING THE ANCIENT STAGES OF OUR HUMAN CULTURE IN THE ANCIENT TIMES, IN OUR GOLDEN AGE OF LEGENDS, FABLES, SUPERSTITIONS, WITCHCRAFT, FORTUNE TELLERS, AND MYSTIC STORY TELLERS.
THE BOOK OF MARK, THE FIRST BOOK, WAS WRITTEN ABOUT 60 YEARS AFTER THE DEATH OF JESUS CHRIST. HOW AUTHENTIC AND RELIABLE COULD IT BE? THIS DISSERTATION AND MESSAGE BY THE APOSTLE. IT IS BLIND FAITH THAT WE BELIEVE, NOT COMMON SENSE
AND. LOGIC OF REASON.
THE HOLY BIBLE WAS FORMULATED FOR MUNDANE MOTIVES, TO BUILD A FOLLOWING BY THE ORGANIZERS FOR INFLUENCE, AUTHORITY AND POWER, AND GATHER THE MATERIAL GIFTS TO A MYSTICAL GOD. A GOD WITH A DUAL PERSONALITY OF LOVE AND WRATH, WHO WILL REWARD OBEDIENT SOULS TO A MYSTICAL HEAVEN OF ETERNAL LIFE AND HAPPINESS, WITHOUT SATIATION; AND TO LAKES OF ETERNAL FIRE IN HELL FOR THE WICKED AND DISOBEDIENT, FOR ETERNAL SUFFERING, PERDITION AND DAMNATION, AND TORTURED BY DEVILS. THIS IS TO SCARE US INTO WORSHIP OF AN ANGERED GOD, AND APPEASE HIM WITH GIFTS.
OUR INSTINCTS AND INTUITION KNOW THAT THERE IS ORDER IN NATURE AND THE UNIVERSE, (THAT EMANATE IN OUR SOCIAL ORDER AND CULTURE) WITH LAWS AND VALUES TO MAINTAIN THIS ORDER, AND THESE DO NOT HAPPEN AND EXIST WITHOUT A CAUSE. AND WE BELIEVE IN A CAUSE-CREATOR-GOD, AND ARE OUR CORE BELIEFS THAT HAS BEEN EXPLOITED BY CULT RELIGIONS TO MAKE MONEY IN THE WORSHIP OF GOD FOR THE GIFTS IT BRINGS.
WHAT ARE THE TEN COMMANDMENTS? BUT DERIVATIONS BY APOSTLES DURING THE ANCIENT TIMES, FROM THE VALUES OF OUR HUMAN FAMILY, LOOKING UNSELFISHLY AMONG ONE ANOTHER FOR COLLECTIVE CREATIVE GOOD, SHARING, CARING, AND LOVING ONE ANOTHER, AND THESE VALUES BEING EXTENDED TO THE LEVEL OF OUR SOCIAL ORDER AND CULTURE, AND TO NATURE THAT IS THE HANDIWORK OF GOD. TO INTERACT AND LIVE WITH EACH OTHER, AMONG ONE ANOTHER, IN ALTRUISTIC COLLECTIVE CREATIVE GOOD, FOR OUR ENDURING WELFARE AND SURVIVAL INTO THE FUTURE IN OUR SEARCH FOR KNOWLEDGE TO KNOW THE TRUTH OF NATURE AND CREATION.
WE CAN ATTUNE ON OUR OWN, WITH OUR CAUSE-CREATOR-GOD. NOT IN THE PAGAN IDLE IDOL WORSHIP OF A MYSTICAL GOD, CONJURED IN VISIONS, DELUSIONS AND HALLUCINATIONS OF HUMAN IMAGINATION, BY ENTERPRISING HOODWINKERS DURING OUR IGNOOOORANT ANCIENT TIMES, FOR THE GIFTS WORSHIP BRINGS. AND INDOCTRINATED INTO OUR HUMAN GENERATIONS FROM BIRTH TO DEATH, TO PROGRAM, CONTROL AND ENSLAVE OUR MINDS, HEARTS AND PASSION, IN THE BELIEF AND WORSHIP OF A MYSTICAL GOD, AND BECOME CAPTIVES TO THE CULTS, AND HAND OVER GIFTS OF LOVE TO GOD, TO THE CULTS.
IS THIS NOT A FAMILIAR RACKET IN OUR MODERN TIMES? SHALL WE CONTINUE TO CARRY OUR HEADS ON TOP OF OUR NECKS AND USE IT LIKE A COCONUT?
RG
What I know, What I Believe
November 7, 2006 at 4:16 pm | In Bible, Catholics, Christ, God, Holy Tradition, Jesus, Magisterium, Pope, Protestants, Sacred Tradition, faith, tradition | Leave a CommentThis is my faith.
Did you see the maiden issue of the newsletter published by the San Bartholomew Parish of Malabon City (Manila)? It’s called Know The Truth and underneath the title is this tagline: ‘A publication to defend the Catholic faith.’ Of course the Catholic Church has to defend itself. You are a Catholic, aren’t you?
Not that I go to mass every Sunday, but yes.
It’s a very different kind of newsletter. No editor, but judging from the article on the inside back page titled ‘I write this … that you may know …’ by Fr Paul Kaiparambadan, then he must be the Editor. Not a Filipino, I guess, by the name.
Maybe not. And what did he write?
I will read to you the very first paragraph on page 1 of the article, ‘The Bible proclaims: Jesus is God.’ Here it is:
‘Jews crucified him for blasphemy. Being a man you make yourself God’ (John 10) was his crime. But the Church he established boldly proclaimed he is the Living God. Thousands of them became martyrs just for that cause. Roman Caesars and Neros worked hard to kill his church, but Rome became its capital. Now new ‘churches’ have re-emerged here with old dreams. Iglesia Ni Cristo spends millions in TV shows to propagate ‘Jesus is not God. He is only a man. The Church he established is dead. The Catholic Church is an apostasied Church.’ They try their best to prove it from the Bible! All tricks are used to confuse Catholics. Hundreds of them are already trapped in their propaganda. Many are wounded and pained because of harsh criticisms against the Catholic faith. What is the truth? What does the Bible really say about Jesus?
‘Apostasied’ means abandoned. They are probably thinking of so many Roman Catholics converting out. The Iglesia don’t think that Christ is God. Don’t forget that the Iglesia was founded by Felix Manalo in 1914. That’s not a very old church, is it? No tradition at all. Unlike the Roman Catholic Church of antiquity. About Christ as God, well, the New Testament says 30 times that Jesus is the ‘Son of Man’ and 30 times that he is the ‘Son of God.’ That’s what the Bible says.
Is that enough proof?
No. There is also the papal testimony. Where the Pope mentions Jesus or Christ, the Pope states or implies that he is God (God the Son).
Why do you believe in the papal bull? He he. How can the Pope be sure that Christ is God? You Catholics believe too much in the Pope.
We Catholics believe in the teaching authority of the Pope, in the Magisterium.
Oh. Suppose the Pope is wrong?
In a doctrine or dogma, he can’t be wrong. In any case, we don’t stop at what the Bible says, we don’t stop at what the Pope says. We Catholics have a third witness.
And what is that?
Tradition. What the great writers said, what the great theologians, the would-be saints said. What does tradition say about Jesus being/not being God? Ask the old folks. What they know or believe is local tradition. Read history. Even Martin Luther, the father of Protestantism, believed the Jesus Christ is God. That’s also tradition. A culture cannot survive without tradition. Image from Jie Jun AEP CA1 who captions it simply ‘Tradition’ (flickr.com/). Victorian is tradition, dating back to Queen Victoria of Britain (19th century).
But the Bible is the sole authority of the truth, isn’t it?
That’s what the Protestants assert: Sola scriptura – the Scriptures only, the Bible only. We Catholics assert the truth as established by the Bible plus by the Magisterium plus by tradition. No more, no less. Three witnesses.
I didn’t know that!
I assure you millions of Catholics didn’t know that either.
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